Salam Morcos 
Correction – I wrote initially that Bernie Sanders got more delegates than Hillary Clinton in Missouri because many Hillary Clinton supporters didn’t show up. However, the Missouri Democratic Party explains that this wouldn’t alter the vote because the vote is ‘binding’ based on sections III.A.6.a, III.C.4.a, III.D.4.a in the Delegate Selection plan. The delegates selected in the April 7 mass meetings were not selected, as I initially thought, to vote for the candidate of their choice. The Missouri Democratic Party already issued a document declaring that Hillary Clinton wins 36 delegates compared to 35 delegates for Bernie Sanders. This means that Clinton is now leading by 208 delegates with 1,306 pledged delegates compared to 1,098 delegates for Sanders.
On March 15, Hillary Clinton narrowly won the Missouri primary with 49.6% of the vote, compared to Bernie Sanders’ 49.4% share of the vote. Since delegates are allocated proportionally, it was projected that Hillary Clinton would win 36 of the 71 pledged delegates, and Sanders would walk away with the other 35 delegates.
But the delegate selection process is not that simple. The voters in the primary do not directly elect the 71 national convention delegates as one might think. Instead, delegates from each candidate who are selected proportionally attend Mass Meetings on April 7 at the different wards, townships and counties across the state. The purpose of these meetings is to select District-Level delegates who would later elect the 71 pledged delegates to represent the candidates in the Democratic National Convention.
This process made sense more than half a century ago when communications were limited and technology nonexistent.
However, just like in Nevada, many Hillary Clinton delegates didn’t show up to these meetings and Bernie Sanders was able to snatch more District-Level delegates than what he was supposed to have. Reported delegate allocation by the Missouri Democratic Party shows that 681 delegates (51.4%) were allocated to Bernie Sanders and 644 delegates (48.6%) allocated for Hillary Clinton.
There will be eight Congressional District Conventions on April 28 where 46 delegates will be selected for the National Democratic Convention. On May 7, 9 pledged PLEO (Party Leaders and Elected Official) would be elected based on the results of the primary. The voters would then select the last 15 pledged delegates on June 18. The table below shows that if all District-Level delegates show up to the upcoming conventions, Sanders should get 37 pledged delegates and Clinton would get 34 delegates.
With the change in the delegate count, Clinton is now leading by 204 delegates with 1,304 pledged delegates compared to 1,100 delegates for Sanders. This is much lower than the 250 delegate gap reported by the Associated Press. It’s even lower than the 214 delegate gap reported by the Sanders campaign.
Here is a state-by-state summary of the delegate count for each candidate based on the Green Papers:
It’s weird, I don’t see you complaining about the delegate process when it works in Bernie’s favor, contrary to the opinions of the voters. At least try to be consistent.
huh? this article appears to be strictly informational, the only opinion I see in the piece is negative towards the caucus process, “This process made sense more than half a century ago when communications were limited and technology nonexistent.” basically saying the caucus process is arcane and outdated
Dude, you can’t blame us if Hillary’s delegates don’t show up. That’s twice now. Bernie’s delegates come out for him, and we are happy about that.
I’m a Bernie supporter and I hate the current delegate process. However, we still have to play by the current rules until they get changed. No one is flip-flopping on that. We’d all much rather prefer open primaries and 18th birthday automatic registration nationwide. However, we still have to play by the rules until that (hopefully) happens. “It’s weird”. You would think HRC supporters would show up after screwing up in Nevada. I guess they’re just being consistent.
I think Hillary supporters understand that just as well as Bernie supporters. Bernie has gotten 46% of delegates but 42% of the vote. I am in general frustrated by previous articles that have painted him as a victim of a system that Hillary supports. I’m also not sure what you meant by that last part.
Jonathan Parts Her supporters didn’t do their jobs and in their low enthusiasm, didn’t bother to show up. That’s a completely different situation. Do you expect Sanders’ people to show up and vote for Hillary? I say this with all due respect. I’m not trying to be snarky. I understand there may be some emotion involved but the premise of your argument lacks logic.
It doesn’t matter who’s at fault it disenfranchises the common voter the same.
Jonathan Parts It’s weird, I don’t see Hi//ary C/inton addressing the massive voter disenfranchisement taking place in states across the union, either. Hmmm. Wonder why?
Preston Ioan Swarthout I bet some of them changed their minds
I think because there was no funny business here. Clinton supporters either got lazy and didnt show, or (My bet) is they have changed their preference since early voting and do not want to help Hillary now.
Preston Ioan Swarthout I initially thought caucuses appeared to allow room for corruption due to their chaotic nature but now I wonder if, given the corporate media being able to completely black out coverage of a candidate to the point that people haven’t even heard of them, well maybe the cuacusing is a more fair option. It gives people more time to learn about who is actually running when the media doesn’t do their job. And when they have more time to learn about the candidates they get a second chance to “vote” by NOT showing up to be counted in the second phase of the process. I’m starting to like the caucus since I’m a Sanders supporter.
The Super delegates are not fair to everyother voter across the nation. Hillary started buying super delegates before she announced her candicy.
We only complain about the super delegates and not the pledge delegates. There is a huge difference!
So Jonathan, you don’t see a difference between people not being allowed to vote because of too few polling places or mysteriously changed party affiliations or being dropped from the voter rolls et cetera et cetera, and people simply not showing up to carry out their duty of being a delegate?
That being said, as a Bernie supporter, i believe that voting laws must be reformed in this country, no matter who wins or loses. Overhaul the primary/caucus process in each and every state, and make voting fair and easy for everyone. We need a new Voting Rights Act.
i mostly want to figure out how to turn off notifications for this post :/. I see the difference, although in Arizona those districts in that total mess were predominantly pro-hillary so it wasn’t even helpful for her, but I think that either way there’s a tendency to cheer on these technicalities or dumb rules when they help you and label them as unjust and evident of corruption when they don’t.
You need to do more research. Hillary has been getting a lot of her votes from surrogate ballots, in Wyoming a single delegate showed up implausibly with over 600 surrogate ballots.
Now in both Missouri and Nevada that helped Clinton NARROWLY win the primary. In this case by less than .04% . . . but eventually REAL PEOPLE have to show up to cast REAL VOTES, not made up ones.
So in stage two when all of those fake people don’t show up a second time to vote the state flips.
Now in Nevada it gets a bit more complicated then that. There Clinton tried to change the rules at the last minute, the DNC confused people with two different papers one of which said delegates didn’t have to show up. The police were called to remove legal delegates, and Clinton tried to push in alternatives who weren’t even there . . . Thankfully it backfired because Bernie supporters don’t trust the DNC or Hillary Clinton.
Since I’m talking about voter fraud on a LARGE scale by Hillary Clinton I’ve provided links below to support the case.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-clinton-surrogate-voting-fraud-wyoming
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-nevada-democratic-caucus/
Actually im a Sanders supporter and i tihnk the delegate process is the most un democratic piece of garbage involved with deciding the dem nominee. The popular vote should decide the fucking nominee period.
Eric Lenhardt Wow, you are dense if you really believe that. You’re reading an article on progressivearmy.com about Sanders, and they make statements like this:
“With the change in the delegate count, Clinton is now leading by 204 delegates with 1,304 pledged delegates compared to 1,100 delegates for Sanders. This is much lower than the 250 delegate gap reported by the Associated Press. It’s even lower than the 214 delegate gap reported by the Sanders campaign.”
It’s almost as if they’re trying like hell to spin this non-story into a huge victory for Sanders; just like every single other progressive publication is doing.
I’m going for Bernie but have to say this shows another problem with this system. In this Republicans are actually doing it right. It should just be winner wins all, and no superdelegates. Makes it just easier for everyone, and its just correct. You won the state u win delegates period.
And Hillary is not a progressive. She’s a NEO-Conservative in Blue clothing much like Obama. Pro-war, pro corruption conflict of interest criminal WallSt banks, with social liberal stance (dependent upon time, not reason).
we try to help you to have a better world.. with the presidency or without the presidency
I am a Bernie supporter, and after a knee-jerk reaction in Nevada, I now don’t like it either. At least this campaign is showing how badly the primary process needs to be remedied.
Jonathan Parts wait, so you don’t think voters are disenfranchised when the media declared Hillary the nominee in December before a single vote has been cast? Make no mistake, her lead was handed to her by the media, by the primary lineup, by the scheduling of debates during times when people wouldn’t watch. What you are seeing here is people actually discovering Bernie when every thing possible was done to make sure the people didn’t know about him. That’s rigging the system and he’s catching up inspite of it.
Actually, I support Bernie, and this kind of pisses me off. It pisses me off that Hillary’s delegates are not showing up and are denying her supporters their rightful voice…that THEY are silencing themselves.
Even if I had changed my mind between the caucus and the selection date, If I had been selected as a representative of my caucus for Hillary, I’d still show up and my first vote would be exactly as I pledged to vote….for Hillary.
It’s bad enough when our politicians disenfranchise voters. It’s downright infuriating when we do it to one another.
I went on a rant on Facebook after Nevada about how this is irresponsible of her supporters to do this. And the truth is, after Nevada, one would think the other caucus states would be more energized to protect those delegates!
The people who did not show SILENCED THE VOICES of everyone who came to the caucuses.
These are the rules, and they are being played out that way….but it *does* suck.
I am opposed to the Super Delegates — but those are currently in play (I’d love to see a motion at the convention to remove them for the future). It is, however, perfectly fair game for their constituents to call them and give them a piece of their mind. Vote the way your constituents voted or face their wrath in November. (I”m not contacting mine. Mine are supporting Hillary. Hillary won my state. Hillary won the district of the other superdelegate. THEREFORE, my State’s superdelegates are in line with the way we voted. And Hillary didn’t buy their vote…we are not in the 33 states bought by the Hillary Victory Fund.)
So please, don’t think we think this is awesome. We’ll take the delegates, but we’re not cheering for Hillary’s supporters to stay home. Nevada? We were actively trying to PROTECT BERNIE’s delegates by keeping on them to show up — never in our dreams did we expect to get HERS!
They made/maintained the processes as a farce. Sanders has to play the game somewhat, it’s how to win. Not giving up on the principle of a people-funded campaign, and with the intention to reform this entire process, yeah, I’m okay with the delegate game being played and won by Sanders.
Like it or not, this is how caucuses have always worked. This isn’t the first election where the delegates failed to show up.
Hey it’s just goes to show the enthusiasm gap between a Bernie supporter and a Hillary supporter. If you don’t like it it’s too bad. Not my fault or the fault of any other Bernie supporter that Hillary supporters don’t care.
This article seems to be more informational than anything else and critical of some of the archaic means that the delegate allocation occurs by. To your point though I think people from both of the Clinton and Sanders camp are fully aware of the way that superdelegates on the Clinton campaign payroll have already allocated their allegiance months before the primaries and caucuses even began. But I guess some people would rather be snarky and correct in their own minds then have an actual and functioning democracy that speaks for the people.
Michael Crick Hillary’s actual lead appears to be 204 delegates. Most of the media says 250. If her lead had changed to 296 instead would you be characterizing every MSM outlet reporting this change as spin?
Preston Ioan Swarthout Maybe some are seeing the light?
I didn’t complain I did something about it. Now I’ll complain becasue its a stupid, rigged way to pick delegates, and favors party insiders.
Brian Daye Many of them didn’t show up in Iowa either – in Polk County we made huge gains as 70 of her delgates failed to show.
Jonathan Parts Pure fantasy that the ‘pro-Hillary’ districts were impacted, based upon another myth that she carriers the Latino vote. Keep trying though.
All of this is exactly why Bernie Sanders has vowed to take this all the way to the convention, where ALL the ACTUAL delegates will be counted, and everyone will be made aware of the way this campaign was run by HRC, and how these primaries and caucuses were run by DWS and the DNC.
They were a mix of latino and black, and the latino vote is for sanders at best 50/50. This isn’t about which candidate, these are about electoral facts. I will support Sanders if he’s the nominee, I’m just exhausted from the scorched-earth, ears turned off religious devotion to Bernie Sanders.
Preston Ioan Swarthout Interestingly, New York State changed the rules only 8 days before the primary in order to make sure that NYC was under represented even more than usual. What they did not change was the election law making it difficult to change your party affiliation and the misleadingly incorrect deadlines that they publish, for those who wish to do so, on their website.
Shawn Stipe especially when HRC had so many “wrapped up” before the campaign even began…
Have we met? No? Then WTF are you talking about?
Brian Daye Computers can not show up for a meeting LOL It was obvious Missouri was computer programmed for Missouri but when live bodies have to show up Hillary can not produce them because they are not real. Just like her Facebook and Twitter likes she bought those in Iraq and turkey. HAHAHAHA The Clintons cheat at everything including on each other but they do not like it when they get caught.
Preston Ioan Swarthout
open primaries on the same day nationwide. Polls should be open to access by any shift workers. It can be worked out. He** we sent men to the moon.
Shawn Stipe Or when the rules are changed after the fact in favor of hillary. These are rules that have been around for years or decades or even over a century. These are not rules that get changed after the voting has already been done.
John Jones Also in on state over the week end the rules got changed after the fact and now in areas of the state that Bernie won he lost delegates and hillry picked them up. And there was no voting. Nothing. And local DNC board send “from now on we will be counculating delegates differental. I know voting is over and delegates have already been counted and you have started assigning them. Buuut Now some Sander delegates are now hillary delegates. So you have to not send some and hillary has to pick more to send.”
Gary Beach Maybe the larger story here is a protest vote by a no-show. At least in soime cases.
Also, the fact remains, indisputably, that Bernie Sanders has 46% of the delegates, while getting 42% of the raw vote. To act like there is a system of disenfranchisement that is directed at him is simply infactual. It is denying the fact simplest factual metrics, Delegates vs. Raw Vote. Support him for his policies, visions, and the work he’s done, but don’t feign victimization.
Brian Daye It’s actually three times, it just wasn’t *quite* enough to flip Iowa. It almost did though. It came really close.
Misty Corrales That’s not how it works in MO. Any voter is allowed to show up to select the delegates for that township. It’s not that Hilary’s delegates didn’t show up, it’s that her supporters didn’t show up to choose her delegates. If a candidate has less than 15 percent representation at thee meetings, they lose their delegates. Still a messed up system, but nobody neglected their duty.
Josue Ramirez If you think the Republicans are doing it right, I suggest you look at what happened in Colorado. No one is doing it right.
If the process can keep out the delegate that the people want, it’s a bad system
M Roy Clark Hillary has filed at least two lawsuits against state voter suppression. What has Bernie done?
It doesn’t seem like the author of this article is complaining about anything.
The problem Hillarys having is that she has stated so often that she is going to be the nominee regardless of the primary votes to the point that her delegates don’t feel the need to show up. Do not blame that on Sanders.
Spot on.
This isn’t how this system should work. It sucks. I’m Feeling the Bern, but Hillary won the popular vote, she should get the corresponding delegates. Simple.
It’s the way it works though, and ironicaly it will take people like Sanders to change the system.
She has won the popular vote so far..due to the early southern states. Keep feeling the Bern it is far from over and we are not delusional althought they keep trying to tell us that.
Also, if that is the case then the super delegates where Bernie won should be backing him but of coures they all back her..I agree..he should get the delegates where he won.
The only problem is that because she cheated, those delegates are not there. They are invisible like Harvey the Rabbit. I would agree with you, but she thought she can flood the proccess with fake votes and just figured that Sanders would drop out. That’s why she is so mad at him because a real Democrat would have by now.
DID Clinton “win” the popular vote in Nevada? It has been said casino union workers were threatened if they didn’t go out and caucus for HRC by management. Then half of them don’t show up @ the follow-up? Doesn’t sound much like genuine popular support to me. Maybe this caucus format IS the better way to ensure a genuine popular selection w/ minimal hanky-panky…
Kelly Jean Ingham exactly — and because caucus votes are not counted in that– the votes being counted are PRIMARY votes, not CAUCUS votes.
No. This is just one of the states that were in question besides IL, MA, IA AZ. Those states may also flip. She never won these states from the beginning now she is embarrassing herself. This is her fault. You wonder why Bernie does well in caucuses? There are no voting machines to rig.
Actually, this is how the presidential preference election works. Don’t blame Bernie for his supporters being persistent and quick to catch on. Don’t hate us for winning.
Kelly Jean Ingham She has also won the popular vote by way of fraud, lies, voter suppression and cheating. It wasn’t enough that the media blacked out Bernie for her. It wasn’t enough that she has so many large corporate sponsors. Let’s hope the cheating and lying isn’t enough either.
Christopher Grant you seem to have totally mistaken my comment for one blaming Bernie.
I’m not casting blame on anyone, I have been convinced that she didn’t originally win, but I was pointing out the fact that the current system doesn’t make sense at all.
If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Hillary had the computers rigged. When Live people have to show up she can not produce. The clintonshave cheated so long they feel entitled
The DNC has willfully bred complacency in their constituency. If one depends on low info voters, the voters they end up with aren’t as passionate or as likely to pay attention to the fine print. Hi//ary’s lack of transparency and inability to excite her base is backfiring spectacularly.
Hate to disappoint you but the latest Gallup poll on the supposed enthusiasm gap between Clinton and Sanders showed Clinton’s supporters as enthusiastic as Bernie Bros, and even a little more so.
Virginia Bergman , no one is disappointed by that comment and no one gives a shit about one Gallup poll you don’t leave a reference link to about “enthusiasm” .
Virginia Bergman And you just showed your ignorance. “Bernie Bros.” What is a Bernie Bro? Please educate the women and minorities that support Bernie Sanders and you just marginalized about what exactly you meant by that.
Virginia Bergman Odd, because Hillary supporters don’t seem to be showing up a whole lot. I’ve seen the difference between Clinton events and Bernie events and it’s staggering. Bernie’s people show up at events & at the polls, contrary to popular belief If they didn’t the party insiders wouldn’t have to twist themsevles up to deny Bernie the candidacy.
Virginia Bergman Where are her enthusiastic voters? They aren’t online. They aren’t showing up to the caucuses or rallies in impressive numbers. Her most enthusiastic supporters BY MILES are the billionaire class and the mainstream media outets who are among her campaign contributors (we’re looking at you, Time-Warner, GE-Comcast, and Disney/Viacom). In real life, I know 7 Hillary supporters compared to HUNDREDS of Bernie supporters. When I canvass, I almost never encounter Hillary supporters and when I phonebank, they are never more than 30% of my call list. Bernie taps into excitement, Hillary taps into fear and complacency. Period.
Virginia Bergman Wow, I knew Bernie could make people white and make them young but I didn’t know that he could make us into men. I am now a young white man. This is great! The possibilities are endless!
Eileen Stewart #BernieMadeMeYoung #BernieMadeMeWhite
Virginia Bergman, the donations and the rallies repeatedly measure enthusiasm more accurately than a rigged media reported poll. Who has more enthusiasm in this race is not even worth discussing. Bernieorbust
Santo Pullella vulgarity is usually a sgn of ignorance. But here’s a link to that Gallup poll showing Hillary’s supporters more enthusiastic than Bernie’s http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Christopher Smaka http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Christopher Smaka Thanks for sharing your humble opinion: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Kathy Johnson http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
M Roy Clark http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Chris McDonough http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Eileen Stewart http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Virginia Bergman And that explains you using the phrase “bernie bros”? I think not.
@Virginia Bergman – Sorry, kiddo. Nobody’s interested in what you’re selling. Try again later, maybe.
Virginia Bergman What does that link have to do with using a term meant to generalize and marginalize followers in a demeaning way? You’re a writer? Let me guess, fiction?
Almas Farmhouse And the new one #BernieMadeMeMale
Virginia Bergman then why do 600 show up following a rally for her and 30000 show up for Sanders? Lets be realistic. And you cant use the Bernie people dont have jobs nonsense. It has been shown that Sanders voters are more educated.
Virginia Bergman “Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted March 21-23, 2016, on the Gallup U.S. Daily survey, with a random sample of 1,358 registered voters, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. For results based on the total sample of 635 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, the margin of error is ±5 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. For results based on the total sample of 610 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, the margin of error is ±5 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.
Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 60% cellphone respondents and 40% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.”
610 people with a 5% margin of error taken in 3 days right after a string of southern states and right before Bernies string of 7 wins.
Your poll is trash. If anything, it shows how Bernie supporters remained competitively “enthusiastic” during their darkest time in this primary process.
Virginia Bergman It’s pretty easy to explain.
“Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 60% cellphone respondents and 40% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region.”
Seriously? I don’t even know anyone with a landline. I’m 51, and I don’t have a landline. My 75-year-old father doesn’t have a landline. The last time I even SAW a landline was in my grandfather’s house…and he died in 2001 at the age of 93.
Older people go more for Clinton. With 40% of their calls being made to landlines, the results would falsely skew toward her. Had they made calls randomly, the results would be truer. Next…
“For results based on the total sample of 610 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, the margin of error is ±5 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.”
Yeah. Your poll was based on a whole 610 people, 242 of whom are stuck in the 20th Century with no cell phones. I’m not impressed, and you shouldn’t be either, because this is a prime example of getting statistics to read the way you want through choosing your total sample and your method.
Virginia Bergman Lol 610 calls on 50 states Thats 12.2 callers per state in avg with 40% on landline, so only an avg of 7.32 of register democrat per state with cell phone and they got the can say with a straight face the margin of error is ±5. And they call this scientific polling? lol
Virginia Bergman Oooh, we’re quantifying “enthusiasm” with an “enthusiasm” poll now? Wow, how scientific.
To the best of my knowledge, this is not how it will work. I attended (and was selected) the mass meeting in St. Charles County, where we had to select delegates for parts of two different congressional districts (2 & 3). She did not have enough to be viable in CD2, but as it was explained to me by two of my fellow committeepeople (one a Hillary supporter and the other a Bernie supporter), that just means she’ll have a smaller pool of people to pull from when we narrow down the delegates at the State Convention.
Yeah, it’s the same process as Virginia. The national delegate count is fixed from the Primary numbers. The local, congressional and state caucuses are really just a marketing tool to find new, active politically minded people who will continue to work with the party after the election.
Dunno if that’s how that will work out this time. 😛
Yes, the above blog post is completely wrong. The meetings and district level caucuses merely select who gets to go to the national convention, and do not change for whom the pledged delegates must vote at the conventon. Here’s the relevant passge, directly from the Missouri Democratic Party’s 2016 Delegate Selection Plan (available at https://drive.google.com/…/0Bw8qd8A8ZSVLY0RGWFN…/view…): a. Presidential Primary – Proportional Representation Plan (Rule 13.A, Rule 13.B & Rule 13.D)
The Missouri’s presidential primary election is a “binding” primary. Accordingly, delegate and alternate positions shall be allocated so as to fairly reflect the expressed presidential (or uncommitted) preference of the primary voters in each district. The National Convention delegates and alternates selected at the district level shall be allocated in proportion to the percentage of the primary vote won in that district by each preference, except that preferences falling below a 15% threshold shall not be awarded any delegates or alternates.
Where did you get these numbers? The link on the word “reported” goes to the general delegate information site, and I didn’t find anything on this site with the numbers. Just trying to verify the information before I share it.
Guess Bill should have kept his mouth shut a bit longer, eh?
Why is this the only article one can find on this subject?
It’s also my nature to find corroborating, “neutral” validation. It’s the accountant in me…and I’m a Bernie supporter.
My husband mentioned something about this earlier (Saturday, maybe?), but I never saw anything about it until this article popped up in my news feed a few minutes ago.
I also check for multiple articles before I really get my hopes up, lol.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280168960
According to Green Papers the National delegates are proportioned off of the primary vote not the mass meeting delegate selection, so I don’t think there will be any change in delegates.
when both parties have told the American people that they don’t have to listen to them and can nominate whomever they wish regardless then it really is time to change the system
District level delegates still don’t mean anything. I’m one of them but it doesn’t mean anything in the overall race, it just means a pool of people Hillary and Sanders supporters can choose from for the National Delegates. it’s the national delegates who are counted for the tally. Hopefully they’ll also be too complacent to show up as well.
This is just blatantly not true. The allocation of delegates to the two candidates is decided by the breakdown of the March 15 primary vote, both statewide and by congressional district. This is the case in all of the primaries, and mass delegate selection meetings have absolutely no impact on the awarding of national delegates. The state and congressional district conventions will decide who the people that go to Philly in July will be, but the delegates will be bound in accordance with the primary vote.
People…stay strong.
If Hilary Clinton couldn’t get Bill Clinton to chose her… Why are people surprised bout her delegates chosing to stay home instead?
Not clever.
Bill Clinton is a douchebag she should have left him ages ago. It would be no loss to her.
When a manwhore betrays his wife, his filth and lowness reflect ONLY on him. Easy to guess why that isn’t obvious to you.
You know what? I’m totally #BernieOrBust, and your comment is complete bullshit. No wife deserves to have her husband cheat on her. And she certainly doesn’t deserve to be attacked for it as if it’s her fault that he’s an asshole.
If Bill flipped flopped as much as Hilary, and if I was her the one who cheated on him, non of you would be saying a damn word, you would probably be defending her and sharing encouragement comments bout her actions. Also, what Bill did was wrong and non of my business… There must be something totally wrong with you if you didn’t notice how I’m just making an observation on a public figure.
You can expect IL and MA to also fli . AZ, IA may and I am not sure about OH. These were the states that were in question from the beginning. It’s not that her delegates are not showing up, she never won the state in the first place.
The delegates representing Clinton in Nevada were tricked into not going via April fools flier. I am pretty sure we will find out the shenanigans behind this putative “tyrannical” action. And Bernie has not raised a single cent for the party. No wonder the super-delegates ran to Hillary. Do the supporters of Senator Sanders understand that North Korea, Iran, Russia and China are going to be major issues for the next president? Do they really want Bernie to speak for “pro-choice” in a party where ~60% are women? I guess they cannot get enough of the “cool-aid”.
Wow, that’s a lot of bullshit in one post. Your KoolAid must be Drano.
The actual division of Missouri delegates is bound to the 3/15 primary results and can’t be changed by the state’s caucus system. Your link to the Green Papers notes this and accurately lists Hillary as having more delegates. I’m not sure where you got the incorrect information that Bernie beat Hillary in the MO delegate count but it’s not from the source you cited
She pulled an “absentee” ballot ploy–after it was over! They are claiming that all those who didn’t show up had medical issues, etc., that prevented them coming. And I don’t see it challenged. I saw one mainstream media has reported MORE for her (and that was the ONLY time it was mentioned–so it’s not set in stone.) I am furious about it all. This delegate process is too confusing and obviously easily manipulated by the establishment DNC when it wants to do so.
More DNC garbage. Party needs reform.
I participated in the process here in Missouri in my ward. After participating I believe that this process has been used to ensure that the Party has the ability to select the candidate they want, no matter what the outcome of the Primary votes. It was a percentage thing. If your candidate didn’t have at least 15 percent, of the total number showing up, youre candidate got No delegates. So somewhere in the state,….(not my ward, where it was 15 to 15 or 50%)…Hillary folks didn’t show up and so she got no delegates elected to represent her. I had no ability to complain about how this works in the past becasue I had no idea that this process existed. Thanks to some motivated and energetic Bernie supporters who got the word out via word of mouth and social media I was able to participate. I think it is a stupid, rigged, way to appoint delegates but its the way it is now. I am convinced after watching Hillary’s supporters who already had their pre-selected delegates and were done and leaving before we could even begin our process of selecting Delegates, proves they knew the system, had it all set up head of time and were just there to seal the deal. Im pretty sure this process has continued to ensure party insiders can manipulate the system in their favor. I bet the Democratic Party her in Missouri will change the rules next election..just like they changed the rules this time to appoint delegates based upon congressional district instead of county by county to try to rig it for Hillary in the first place.
Sorry but Rules is Rules and this time the more energetic, newly empowered, and motivated voters made a difference. You can to. Research your states rules for selecting/electing delegates after the primary and make sure you have a say in how this process works.
It has actually made me more interested in getting involved in the local Democratic party to ensure I know how these processes work.
Delusional. The author is just another awful Hillary hater. He also pretends John Kasich would be the nominee? Why because he hates Hillary? Kasich is the only one who is ahead of Hillary in many polls.
hates awful Hillary? Or awful, cos he heates Hillary? I’d go with the foremer. But I don’t see what the author has written that’s so anti Hillary. For reporting what has happened?
Roberto Birquet He always talks about how Bernie is winning. How he is going to win New York. Bernie supporters are all that delusionall? No, awful Hillary hater, you dumb ass. I am sick and tired of Bernie supporters pretending they are all for change, at least about 30 percent of them are just AWFUL Hillary haters and AWFUL Bernie supporters like you, dumb ass.
Roberto Birquet You are just another awful Bernie supporter. Dumb, deluisional, mislead and brainwashed. Now what? Are you going to take a look at my profile and start saying I am not even an American citizen? I am a legal permenant resident and I will be eligible to apply for naturalization next summer. Let’s it get it out of the way because Bernie bots always get racist when they can’t argue. I will support Hillary and volunteer for Hillary as much as I can to help her win the presidency, and you? Why don’t you sit in front of Wall Street and protest and blame everything on Obama and Hillary? You stupid Bern out twat.
Chung Fang GFY^. In case the party you are abusing doesn’t have time to tell you.
Deborah Dietz Wake up and don’t be so misled.
swings and roundabouts. Nevada at 18-17 is actually a fair shareout. Wyo at 7-7 v unfair to Bern.
Remember washington State has not awarded all of their delegates until they meet up which makes Bernie only 130 lower than Hillary. Bernie will be the nominee.
The 212 was with Washington being completely finished
What are Democrats Abroad?
This is what s happens as a result of empty votes, i.e. voter fraud. Reports surfacing of HRC campaign coercing votes from group homes for elderly and mentally challenged.
After looking at the list above, I now understand what the uproar a few years ago was about when some states did their re-districting. It gave them more delegates.
Interesting.
We should change this up.
The Green Papers actually shows the MO delegate count as: Clinton-36, Sanders-35, and NOT Clinton-34, Sanders-37 as claimed in this artilce. This author does not seem to understand the actual delegate allocation rules. I cannot state it better than Nicholas Eberle of Truman State University did below: “This is just blatantly not true. The allocation of delegates to the two candidates is decided by the breakdown of the March 15 primary vote, both statewide and by congressional district. This is the case in all of the primaries, and mass delegate selection meetings have absolutely no impact on the awarding of national delegates. The state and congressional district conventions will decide who the people that go to Philly in July will be, but the delegates will be bound in accordance with the primary vote.” Here’s the link to The Green Papers: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MO-D
Yes, the above blog post is completely wrong. The meetings and district level caucuses merely select who gets to go to the national convention, and do not change for whom the pledged delegates must vote at the conventon. Here’s the relevant passge, directly from the Missouri Democratic Party’s 2016 Delegate Selection Plan (available at https://drive.google.com/…/0Bw8qd8A8ZSVLY0RGWFN…/view…): a. Presidential Primary – Proportional Representation Plan (Rule 13.A, Rule 13.B & Rule 13.D)
The Missouri’s presidential primary election is a “binding” primary. Accordingly, delegate and alternate positions shall be allocated so as to fairly reflect the expressed presidential (or uncommitted) preference of the primary voters in each district. The National Convention delegates and alternates selected at the district level shall be allocated in proportion to the percentage of the primary vote won in that district by each preference, except that preferences falling below a 15% threshold shall not be awarded any delegates or alternates.
If Bill fliped fopped as much as Hilary does and she had cheated on him, non of you would be saying a damn thing… Your be defending her and excusing her for having done so… What he did was wrong and non of my business, I just made an observation. If you can’t tell a difference, something has to be seriously wrong with you!
This article is factually incorrect. As the source you site, The Green Papers, itself notes: “71 of 84 delegates to the Democratic National Convention are pledged to presidential contenders based on the results of the voting in (the) Missouri Presidential Primary.”
Later, it says: “National Convention At-Large Delegates are elected according to the results of the Primary. The remaining 13 National Convention delegates consist of 13 Unpledged PLEO delegates.”
It’s right here, man. You’re not even trying.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MO-D
Bernie supporter by the way.
Note this is completely different from the system in Nevada and a few other states, where the precinct caucus/district caucus/state convention process can cause changes in delegate totals.
Great news, but I had to laugh at “half a century ago when communications were limited and technology nonexistent” since half a century ago was when we put a man on the moon.
In our county in Missouri, 400 Bernie Sanders supporters showed up compared to 40 for Hillary Clinton. Of course, the local newspaper put out an article with 2 photos, both featuring HC supporters.
Hillary Clinton officially wins Missouri today. Bernie officially loses Missouri. Take that. Hillary actually won more delegates than the dishonest Sanders. You want to update your stupid article and quit spinning? Salam Morcos. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-clinton-win-missouri-221831
The latest from CNN today is that HRC won Missouri. I don’t know what to believe.
This whole process is a joke and why I will not be a registered democrat for much longer. On one side you have the DNC screwing one candidate in every way possible. On the other you have Clinton who is so charismatic her own delagates can’t be bothered to show up turning two of her wins into losses.
I wish Bernie did win, but he did not. I was elected as an alternate in Greene County, and they always try to elect as many alternates as delegates in each county so that if there are shortages in other counties alternates can fill in. For counties in which Hillary is missing delegates, alternates will fill in, so we did not take Missouri. Nothing has changed.
Too bad every Bernie Bro on teh interwebz (and I say this a Bernie man through and through) has taken your story as gospel without your doing ANY research before putting something in the ether as fact. Now no one believes in facts anymore. And you are part of the problem.
This has happened several times now, where Hillary has knowingly planted Montsanto seeds of victory, even if it borders on illegality, pulls it off, crows it up at the victory party stealing Bernie’s thunder and then marching on with undeserved momentum, when iit was actually Bernie Sanders’ night. I have never seen the mainstream news media berak in and say; Bernie Sanders won Missouri, Bernie Sanders won Nevada etc. They just quietly readjust the numbers.
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